CPP97 – Canadian Firearms Advisory … Committee?


This week Tracey from the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights joins Marty, Gavin, Tim and Andrew to talk about the Canadian Firearms Advisory … Committee? Committee must be newspeak for a group of people whose job it is to tell politicians what they want to hear. Honk, honk.


Hello to all you patriots out there in podcast land and welcome to Episode 97 of Canadian Patriot Podcast, the number one podcast in Canada. Recorded Monday September 11, 2017.

Tim – sport shooter, father of 3 and owner operator of Tim’s Good T-Shirts, they’re quite good!  I’m also a descendant of beer drinking, immigrants

Gavin –  a business owner, gun enthusiast, hunter, atheist, host of the Greater Toronto Area chapter of the Tactical Beard Owners Club.

Marty – Hunter and sport shooter in rural Southern Ontario

Tracey- VP of Public Relations for the CCFR, registered lobbyist (gun lobby), hunter and sport shooter in the Ottawa Valley


Andrew –  I’m a recovering libertarian, competitive shooter, and firearms instructor at Ragnarok Tactical

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What Are We Drinking

Andrew – Appleton Rum and Coke Zero

Marty – Crown Royal Apple and Coke Zero

Tim – Holsten premium pilsner made with strict adherence to the German purity law of 1516

Gavin – Crown Royal Apple & Coke Zero

Tracey – Jack and Coke

Tim and Andrew bit 1-2 minutes

Do the bit tim! Do the bit!

Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee Meeting ATIP 


Minister’s Remarks

  • Today’s discussions will be on the mandate given to me by our Prime Minister and any other issues that you think you Government should be thinking about on firearms.
  • My Mandate is to take action to get handguns and assault weapons off our streets by strengthening controls on handguns and assault weapons, including by repealing some elements of the Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act, or former Bill 42
  • We respect the tradition of hunting and the practice of sport shooting in Canada
  • Our Government does not intend to unfairly target law-abiding Canadians

Mandates and Commitments

Number Descriptions Mandate Platform
1 Authorization to Transport – Repeal changes that allow restricted and prohibited firearms to be more freely transported (former bill C-42) Yes Yes
2 Deeming Provisions – Put decision-making about firearms classification back into the hands of police (former Bill C-42) Yes Yes
3 Licence Verification – Require purchasers of firearms to show a license when they buy a firearms; and sellers to confirm the licence is valid before completing the sale Yes
4 Record Keeping – Require firearms vendors to keep records of all firearms inventory and sales to assist police in investing firearms trafficking and other gun crimes Yes
5 Implement the Firearms Marking Regulations Yes
6 Enhance backpage checks for anyone purchasing a handgun or other restricted firearms Yes

Authorization To Transport (ATT)

As part of C42 CFO must issue an ATT as a condition of the licence. Following places within province of residence

  • Dwelling
  • Gun show
  • Canadian port of entry or exit
  • Peace officer/ firearms examiner/CFO for verification, registration, disposal
  • Firearms business licenced by the CFO (repair/appraisal)


Restricted or 12(6.1) prohibited handgun for target shooting an ATT must also include Section 29 shooting range/club within the province



Due to the number of locations to which a firearm may be legally transported without specific authorization, it has become more difficult for law enforcement to challenge an individual’s lawful purpose for possessing a restricted or prohibited firearm in a vehicle.



  • Restoring the previous ATT regime would help law enforcement better identify firearms that are being transported unlawfully and represent a higher risk to public safety


  • Increases the administrative burden on firearms owners, and may have cost implications.

Deeming Provisions

C-42 amended the Criminal Code to provide the Governor in Council with authority to deem a firearm to be a less restrictive class despite meeting the definition of a more restrictive class as defined by parliament

Specifically related to the Swiss Arms and CZ858



It is worth noting that, in the past, previous Governments have addressed firearm re-determinations in several ways, either with compensation or without. For example, in 2010, a number of Norinco Type 97a rifles were re-determined to be prohibited by the RCMP. At that time, the Government decided to compensate the owners of these firearms through a buy-back program.



  • It would enhance public safety to have firearms that meet the definition of “prohibited firearm” treated as such due to the added risk they may pose to the public if misused.


  • The repeal of the “deeming provisions” would reduce the options currently available to the Government for addressing firearms owners who are affected by redeterminations.

Licence Verification

  • Not explicitly required to present firearms licence to transferor
  • Transferor is not required to confirm with the RCMP CFP
  • “No reason to believe that the transferee is not authorized to acquire or possess that kind of firearm”



  • Explicitly requiring the verification of a transferee’s firearms license and acquisition privileges before the transfer of a non-restricted firearm can take place would likely benefit public safety by helping to ensure the lawful transfer of this class of firearm


  • Mandatory licence verification for the transfer of non-restricted firearms could result in an increase in administrative burden

Record Keeping

  • No requirement for transferor to keep record of transaction
  • CFO cannot require vendors to maintain records as part of licence requirements



The United States requires all licensed firearms vendors to maintain a record of all point-of-sale transactions, including personal information about the transferee and specific firearm transferred for at least 20 years. However, in some circumstances, individuals can sell their firearms privately without requiring a license. If a business closes, all records must be provided to the ATF.


  • Would allow police to more efficiently investigate gun crime in Canada


  • Would constitute an additional administrative burden for firearms vendors

Firearms Marking Regulations

  • UN agreement from 2004, coming into force in June 2017
  • Supposed to facilitate tracing of arms
  • Domestic Manufacturing
    • Manufacturer, serial number, Canada or CA
  • Imported
    • Canada or CA, last two digits of the year of import



The Regulations were designed to work in conjunction with the previous registry that applied to non-restricted firearms. Since 2012, with the destruction of the registry and in the absence of firearm record-keeping requirements for non-restricted firearms (i.e., approximately 90% of the firearms owned by Canadians), the Regulations no longer achieve their intended purpose. The utility of the marking scheme for tracing purposes in these circumstances is severely diminished, since the efficiencies of tracing are realized when a record of the most recent legal owner can be linked to a specific combination of information which is marked on the firearm (e.g., serial number, name of manufacturer, etc.).


  • Implementing the Regulations in their present form would allow law enforcement to immediately know whether or not the provenance of non-restricted crime firearms in domestic.


  • In their present form, the Regulations provide limited ability to enhance the tracing of non-restricted firearms as records of ownership no longer exist.




We, the undersigned, residents of Canada draw the attention of the House to the following: That given that the Minister of Public Safety’s unelected Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee will shape the future of firearm regulation in our country, its members must adequately understand and represent the very people affected by its recommendations, being Canada’s shooting community. Therefore, your petitioners, call upon the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness to require individuals appointed to the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee to have earned their Possession and Acquisition License (PAL), without which they lack a baseline understanding of the activities they are tasked with regulating.


Fuck Cancer Charity Shoot 2017

Venue will be decided by end of this week

Beneficiary is Scott H.

-Stage 3 medullary thyroid cancer

– 180 cases in Canada per year

– thyroid, 76 lymph nodes and 2 parathyroids

– tumour went 3/4 of the way around his neck

– 35 radiation treatments

– lost ? range of motion in his head and neck

– radiation treatments have left his lungs with chronic inflammation

– building inspector said “well is it a serious kind or what?”


Tim – https://timsgoodtshirts.ca/ or https://www.facebook.com/timsgoodtshirts

Andrew – https://shop.ragnaroktactical.ca/
Tracey – https://firearmrights.ca/en/home/



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